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What Is Emotional Manipulation? [Episode 87]

What is Emotional Manipulation?

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You’ve been telling him for years how hurtful his behavior is. Literally begging him to stop. It’s like beating your head against a wall. You’ve reached your breaking point. Then he tosses out a question your heart longed to hear from the beginning:

“What can I do to fix this?” 

Right at the end. Right before your feet hit the pavement. Right before you’ve given up.

What now?

Learn about 3 critical aspects of this kind of emotional manipulation:

  • What this question actually means.
  • Why he never asked it before.
  • Ways to respond that won’t lead you right back onto the hamster wheel of death. 

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Hi. This is Natalie Hoffman of, and you’re listening to the Flying Free Podcast, a support resource for women of faith looking for hope and healing from hidden emotional and spiritual abuse.

NATALIE: Welcome to Episode 87 of the Flying Free Podcast! 

Today I want to answer a question that I hear all the time: 

“How do you answer your husband when he says, ‘Just tell me what I need to do to fix this’?”

First of all, you need to know why he is asking that question. And to understand why he’s asking that question, we need to use an analogy. 

Let’s say you are in a room with him and he is sitting on a chair next to you, kicking you in the shin every so often. You ask him to stop, and he responds to you by: 

• Sometimes ignoring you. 

• Sometimes saying, “What’s the big deal? I’m hardly doing anything.” 

• Sometimes saying, “I’m not kicking you in the shin. Where are you getting that crazy idea from?” 

• Sometimes laughing and saying, “You can’t ever take a joke.” 

• Sometimes yelling at you and saying, “You’re such a nag! What is your problem! You’re on my case all the time. I can’t do ANYTHING without hearing you gripe and complain!”

And the kicking continues for twenty years. 

At the end of twenty years, you decide to stand up and leave the room. You say, “I’m sick of you kicking me in the shin. You don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, so that tells me you’re going to keep doing it. Since you won’t stop, I’m leaving.” 

And his response to you is, “HOW CAN I FIX THIS?” 

Do you see it? Now do you see the reason he is asking you that question? 

You see, your brain really wants to believe he is asking that question because he genuinely has no clue that he’s been kicking you. And you would be a nasty old meanie not to tell him and give him a chance. Right? I mean, everyone deserves a chance! 

Your brain wants to believe that because it’s been programmed with that thought your entire life. If someone asks a question, it must be genuine, and you must answer or you’re being rude. 

But is that true? Is that programmed thought always true? In this case, it’s not. If you continue to believe that thought, you’ll feel guilty when you don’t answer and walk away. When you feel guilty, you’ll overwork, overcompensate, and overeat. You’ll also deny it’s that bad and minimize the kicks. And you’ll stay in the room with your kicker. 

But what if you offered your brain a different thought? What if you thought this instead: “That’s an interesting question he is asking. Interesting because I’ve told him for twenty years what’s wrong. And I’m pretty sure he has good hearing and brain tissue. That means his question isn’t genuine. It’s a challenge to keep me in his little game, and I’m not playing anymore.” 

Now THAT thought causes you to feel clear and empowered. And when you feel clear and empowered, you say, “I’ve already told you what to do and then I gave you twenty years to do it. Goodbye.” And you leave. What is the result in your life? You no longer get kicked in the shin every day. 

I hope that analogy helps a bit. But let’s take it back to real life, because some of you are thinking, “I still don’t get it. He seems to genuinely want to work on his stuff for the first time ever! I don’t want to throw away this amazing opportunity if he finally wants to change!” 

And you don’t have to. You absolutely don’t have to. But here’s what I suggest you do. 

First, find out if he knows what he needs to fix. His programming doesn’t believe he’s done anything wrong that needs fixing. Because if you think about it, if a bike is broken, would he ask that question? “What do I need to do to fix this?” He could answer that question all by himself: “I need to look up my bike’s problem on YouTube, watch a video, get some tools, and fix it.” And he would. So if he doesn’t know what needs to be fixed, his question isn’t genuine. Now if he says, “I know I’ve not taken responsibility for my behavior in the marriage, and I’ve put it on you instead. I don’t want to do that anymore. I’m going to fix MY BEHAVIOR. Here are some behaviors you’ve asked me to fix in the past. And I’m wondering If there are any other behaviors I need to work on as well?”

Now, THAT’s a beginning. It doesn’t mean anything yet, but at least he is demonstrating that he has some self-awareness on his own. This would be like him kicking you for twenty years and then stopping suddenly and saying, “I kick you all the time. I shouldn’t do that. I’m going to stop. Is there anything else I do that bothers you?” 

Here’s the thing: if we answer that question for them (and we already have for twenty years, remember?), we don’t give them a chance to show that they understand or have insight or self-awareness on their own. And if they don’t have it and they are unwilling to search for it, then it doesn’t matter what you tell them. They will do one of two things with the information you give them:

1. They will jump through your hoops and make the aesthetic changes “you are demanding” (“Oh, she’s so demanding. She wants me to stop kicking her in the shins. Picky, picky woman, but whatever.”) in order to maintain control over you. But it won’t last because it isn’t real. 

2. They will turn it back onto you again and say it’s your problem and your fault and challenge YOU to take responsibility again and “fix it.” 

What they will NOT do (generally speaking) is go out on their OWN initiative and get some therapy and read the books and figure out what they are doing wrong (you’ve told them a million times, right?) and work on themselves and their own behavior. They won’t do it because they can’t. They live in an alternate reality where you are a Lego character in their universe. You’re not allowed to be YOU. In full color. In flesh and blood with your own ideas, experiences, perceptions, opinions, etc. 

So how do you answer? “I’ve already told you over the course of many years. I’m not going to insult your intelligence by going over it again. Get therapy. Google. Read books. Get help for yourself. I’m not taking responsibility for your behavior anymore. Just my own. We are both grownups now. Let’s both start acting like one.” 

I was just talking to Patrick Doyle the other day, and he said, “The salesman’s job starts when the customer says ‘no.’” 

Your man is a salesman. And do you know what he’s selling? A seat next to him so he can keep kicking you in the shins. 

Now, if you’re kicking yourself right now because you think you’re a fool for staying so long, DON’T. That’s not helpful to you. And that’s not going to give you the motivation, courage, and self-confidence to get out of that room. Besides, it isn’t YOU that wanted to stay. It was your brain’s programming. Your brain has been recording all the things you’ve been taking in through your senses since you were a baby, and then your brain took all that data and turned it into a program, or manual, for your life. Most of your decisions and behavior throughout your life have been made unconsciously based on your brain’s programming. 

Your challenge is to learn how to reveal your programming and then decide whether or not you like it and want to keep it or not. This is the work we do in Flying Higher

So what DO YOU do when your husband says, “How Can I Fix This?” 

You need to let go of your need to control him. You don’t have to control his behavior. You shouldn’t. It’s crossing over into his boundaries to try to control his behavior. He gets to kick you if he wants to, okay? 

You can’t control his lack of initiative. He could take initiative and stand up and go, “I’m going to stop now. I’m done with this. I’m done being like this.” He could do that. You can’t control whether or not he does that, though. 

You can’t control the way he shows up as a parent or the way he shows up in his workplace or the way he shows up at church. 

You aren’t his mommy or his fixer-upper or his Holy Spirit. He’s a grown-ass man. If he wants to figure out how to stop kicking his wife in the shin, he can do it. And if he chooses not to for whatever reason, and they’re his own reasons and he can have his own reasons, that’s his choice, and he gets to make it for his life. 

But here’s number two: you also get to take back control of your life, okay? You get to take back control of what you do and how you think and what you say and who you are as a person. 

How do YOU want to show up for yourself? For your life? Do you want to be in a room with a shin kicker, or are there other options? If so, what are they? Start to explore them. Ask yourself if you’d like to have a different result in your life. 

The last thing you’ll need to do is tolerate the disapproval you’ll get (because these guys really need a shin to kick) by allowing  uncomfortable feelings. You see, your man isn’t the only shin kicker in the universe. And when you leave his room, you’ll discover that many other rooms in your life have a shin kicker in them. You’ll begin to recognize the shin kickers in time to leave the room before they can kick your shin, and you’ll also discover that some shin kickers are going to chase you down because they really believe that a woman’s place is in a chair next to a shin kicker. 

And when you say “NO,” they are going to be pig-biting mad. 

So what are you going to do? Try to make all the shin kickers happy? Or are you going to go out and live your badass life? I hope it’s the latter. 

Thanks for listening, and until next time, fly free.

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  • Avatar
    August 12, 2023

    So!… Yay I’m so excited I found! I know that I am being emotionally abused, lied to, gaslighted….It’s not as bad as many of the stories, but it’s enough to make me understand that I am not valued by my husband, the way I have literally BEGGED to be valued. And I noticed it from day one. We have been married for 23 years today.

    My question is, I can change, even in this marriage, right? And I can grow a pair of wings even while being married to him? You say that Satan isn’t about destroying marriages… It’s about destroying people. And I agree with you wholeheartedly. But I think my tender 13-year-old may be more hurt by a divorce right now than a divorce in five years from now.

    So I know that everything is my choice. I think I am making the direct choice to stay in this marriage for five more years. I will begin going to school now so that I will be able to support myself when a divorce happens. This is a good plan, right? I don’t want all of those yucky steps to happen without me, at least having a a money earning degree under my belt.
    And I will begin to change now.

    BUT….I actually really love my husband. Isn’t it possible that I can just overlook his stupid lies and his non-emotional need for me?

    Are ignoring me and gaslighting me occasionally really grounds for a divorce?

    Yes, I can be happy without a man… Why can’t I be happy without a man here in this marriage to him?

    I know I must sound like a broken record to you— it’s really hard to figure out what’s bad enough to warrant divorce, you know?

    • Natalie Hoffman
      Natalie Hoffman
      → Camilla
      August 12, 2023

      You are the one with skin in the game, so at the end of the day, you get to decide what is life giving for you and your children. If you want support through this process, you may want to consider being part of Flying Free.

  • Avatar
    July 7, 2023

    Is it possible for Real change to be able to take place ? Has anyone here had their marriage restored? Isn’t God into restoration? He can do the impossible … are we stopping too soon?

    • Natalie Hoffman
      Natalie Hoffman
      → Sue
      July 7, 2023

      Thanks for your comment, Sue. It’s always possible, but of the thousands of women Natalie has worked with over the years, she could probably count on one hand the number of times she has seen real, lasting change. You get to decide when enough is enough for you – nobody else gets to decide that for you!

      Aimee, Flying Free Community Support

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    January 28, 2023

    My husband isn’t a narcissist. He has ADHD, which I learned last summer, can come with things like Emotional Dysregulation and Reactive Sensory Disorder. There actually IS something wrong with his brain, and it’s taken 20 years for him to recognize there was a huge problem with how he treated me. So for the first time ever he isn’t blaming me and he is changing his behaviors, but I almost wish he hadn’t because I am so over it. I just want to get away from him and now I feel more obligated than ever to stay because he legit HAS a problem and he is actually changing (7 months without reverting). I just feel like our relationship is so damaged that I will never be able to feel lovingly toward him ever again and I am trapped and suffocating with him trying to love me all the time now.

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      Linds Harrison
      → April
      May 14, 2023

      I am in the exact same boat.

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      Roanna Vine
      → April
      May 20, 2023

      I’m in the same boat, my husband quit porn , smoking, and verbal abuse. He is getting help and is so nice to me.
      I fell out of love with him and just can’t seem to get it back again. After 41 years of marriage, I was so ready to leave.

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    Susana Friesen
    June 16, 2022

    Thankyou so much for doing this .the little bit I’ve already learned a lot .hopefully I can go through the course,

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    June 15, 2022

    How do you start walking away with 9 kids no money and have been a SAH M for 24 years youngest is still 3????

    • Natalie Hoffman
      Natalie Hoffman
      → Christina
      June 16, 2022

      No easily. It’s a process that can take several years. Start that process by working on healing the ideas/lies/thoughts you’ve been programmed with for so many years. We can’t physically leave until we are ready in our mind. That’s what this program and all my resources are all about.

    • Avatar
      → Christina
      June 17, 2023

      My heart goes out to you. I know exactly how that feels. One feels so hopeless! We can only pray for one another …

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    March 14, 2022

    What about the husband who has promised for years to change, is genuinely regretful/tearful after every episode, but then lacks lasting follow-through? And it’s not just in our relationship but in many areas of life that follow-through is lacking: parenting, home maintenance, or hobby goals all get a hung-ho start before fizzling out or falling to the backseat. So it’s not just a relationship dynamic… He is in counseling now—because he finally got scared of losing me, and I was ready to walk. That’s what it took for him to acknowledge that his own efforts to control his temper weren’t working (after 20 years??) Now he is doing all the homework, taking all the steps. Putting in a lot of time and effort. But I worry that as soon as we’re back on better footing (if that ever happens), he will go back to his old patterns. How do you know change will be lasting? And how do you work through all that emotional damage to find the will to want to stay at this point? How do you love someone who only makes true effort at lasting change when they’re afraid you’re going to walk out.

    • Natalie Hoffman
      Natalie Hoffman
      → Sue
      March 14, 2022

      You don’t know if the change is real. I will say this though – deep authentic change is always intrinsically motivated. It doesn’t happen due to threats or outside manipulation. People can modify their behavior under certain circumstances, but when those circumstances are gone – they will revert back to the behavior that is driven by their inner programming. Your best hope is to get out of his brain and his life – and start focusing on your own inner transformation. That is the only thing you can control – and THAT will change your life regardless of whether or not your husband ever really changes. You are only responsible for your own life. If you don’t want to stay after 20 years of shin-kicking – you can leave. You are free to go. It’s up to you.

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        Melissa Mashburn
        → Natalie Hoffman
        February 20, 2023

        This response !!! Thank you for that! I’ve been asking myself, actually asking God, to just SHOW ME how to be me, and praying as that happens, at least the tone of things in our home very well may change!

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    March 14, 2022

    I’m in shock at the accuracy. I am still working up the nerve to leave but this was most helpful. Thank you.

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      → AJ
      February 15, 2023

      Husband hides my items when he’s mad at me. It’s a way to try to provoke me and have me looking unstable. I’m self aware of his tactics and don’t fall for them but it’s still unsettling. When I confront him he lies, denies and cries. Or tried to turn around on me. I’m over it! Looking for a place asap to move.

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    January 30, 2021

    This is amazing advice Natalie! I wish all counselors were so wise.
    . After I couldn’t take the cruel treatment anymore and said I wanted to separate, my shinkicker “I don’t know what it was I did wrong but I want to make it right”
    Umm repeated controlling, demeaning behavior and dishonesty and you have no idea what you did wrong.

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    just ... K
    October 11, 2020

    Really appreciated this. Thank you Natalie!
    My shin kicker is winding up with a diatribe on how unforgiving and bitter I am because I have set some boundaries. (Yeah, he gave me a head’s up!) I’m working on a non programmed response. Learning wisdom is sooooo challenging, but THANK YOU for the help!

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    October 9, 2020

    Ha, I see you know my shin kicker! He once again asked what he could do to change. That opened the door to a 2-hour shin kicking filibuster, always quick to remind me that 90% of our problems are my fault. Little did he know, that after 4 decades of marriage, I was in the final stages of my plan to leave him. One month later I was gone forever.\

    That was nearly 3 years ago. I am now divorced and have assumed my maiden name! Much thanks Natalie for your many brave articles, podcasts and book, very helpful!

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      → Lela
      October 6, 2022

      Thank you so much for putting a shape to the emotional chaos that is to be married to an emotional abusive spouse. In my case my husband is a cover narcissist and he has put me through hell during the past 15 years, I know I have to end it. I am ready until he says those words. Those exact words ” How can I fix this” then there I go again sucked back in the cycle.
      But this time he actually went ahead and started therapy, my hope comeback until thank God I came across a recording of his “HONEST ATTEMPT” to get help; He went on and on justifying his behavior, talking about how nasty I am so he has no choice but to pay in kind nasty with nasty, that he used to feel remorse and empathy but all my nasty words and attacks made him not feel anything anymore. By the way my justified nasty words and attacks are my attempts to talk to him about how much the things he has done and continue doing like the porn use or abuse, submitted me to a practically sexless marriage for 12 year. Besides the times I exploded and demanded sex, I was 27 when he decided that masturbating to porn was more rewarding than to be intimate with me. But all this was part of a delayed retaliation for find out about his dirty little secret.. Craiglist M2M. But of course those details he kept to himself, so our former couple’s therapist ended up validating that I am abusive because I must have some kind of cognitive disability and I wasn’t able to be reasonable or to engage on a logical conversation as He is because he is capable of self control. Needless to say I quit therapy with this Psychologist back in February because she wouldn’t allow me to talk about the past the things my husband had done and continue doing about the gaslighting, the projection the fits of anger when confronted his lack of accountability. I have ADHD since ever.. but throughout our marriage I developed Chronic Anxiety and severe medical depression. I had to take medication to be able to sleep but my doses was so high that I had to take medication to wake up a d unfortunately I depended on him to help me with my medication. And he is now using everything he heard me talk to our former therapist to smear my name and credibility, and at the same time look like the loving caring husband he thinks he is!
      Natalie You were right. Are right! I which I have read your book “is it me. Making sense of your confusing marriage” before I went to couple’s therapy with him..
      When you said “…please don’t do that” It hit me I was waiting for the smearing campaign, I didn’t have to wait long. It is here!
      And after I breaking my chin from all the kicks, he still comeback asking “How can I fix this” it is crazy making.